Thursday, 26 July 2012

  • Are We Growing Up Slower

     Did you know that not too long ago that by the time you were 18-20 you were expected to be an adult & act it? 
     I recall history were families would send 14yros across country on a train, with the entire family savings & expect them to get there safely & to purchase land for them, with legal contracts involded. shocked


    I cannot imagine that today.
    Growing Up Slower seems to be becoming the NEW Normal. & I'm not convinced it's just not a cop out that massive numbers have convinced themselves that it's ok. 

    My kids act younger than I did at their ages , but bc of D & me they act ages older than their friends & it seems to be a trend that has continued.

    Not to knock it....but adults on their parents insurance till 26.... seems wrong.....but as I came from a older parents maybe I just can't shake the unkind thoughts I have on it. 

    The root of the problem, one..when the us vs them adults and teens was made relevant & two when the
    Everyone gets a trophy generation cult like ideology was infused into our right & wrong perceptions.

    I won't lie I can't stand the Everyone gets a Trophy idea...
    It has created large entitlement disillusionment.

    NO you're not going to like growing up, jobs are work, work is hard, hard is well hard.... you may have dreamed of being ______________ but if that's not working get your arse in a truck, behind a mop or even digging ditches.

    All this to say I simply wanted to ask....
    Do you think we are Growing Up Slower & what are the repercussions in your real world experience?

    Btw the NEW NORMAL is a rant I'll restrain myself from...

Comments (31)

  • QuantumStorm

    The normal markers of adulthood - a stable job, a home, a family - are much more difficult to obtain in today's economy. It's a combination of bad economic health, the rise in tuition rates (which makes getting those nice-paying jobs difficult) and society's more liberal attitudes towards the role of marriage and family in our lives, as evidenced by the drop in marriage rates as well as the rise in divorce rates. 

  • EmilyandAtticus

    I agree!!! I deal with the sense of entitlement in my work and it infuriates me, an idea that they have a right to certain rewards and a resentment when anybody suggests they should work for it. At 26, somebody is an adult and has been for some time. I know people whose parents support them into their thirties. It's ridiculous and I worry what it means for our future. Good post.

  • Kris0logy

    @QuantumStorm - oh, that brings up the point, that only recently did everyone think they had to go to college to get a good job, saddling them with debt.

  • QuantumStorm

    @Kris0logy - Yep. There are a lot of people wandering around with worthless degrees and oodles of debt, wondering what the hell they're going to do. 

  • Kris0logy

    @QuantumStorm - it is a truly maddening lie, that MUST be stopped.

  • hombre_de_la_mancha

    Interesting post. On the one hand I can see that yes, responsibility seems to be accepted later. But if you look at what kids are exposed to, or have access to, it seems like they have a very short youth. 

  • Kris0logy
  • Kris0logy

    @hombre_de_la_mancha -  very good point. Giving kids info earlier & earlier  DID NOT produce better adults but stunted ones. Similar to what happens when you help butterflies out of their chrysalis, it cause them to be malformed. Interesting train of thought.

  • QuantumStorm

    @Kris0logy - Well part of the problem is that vocational schools have had a hard time trying to keep up with the changing workplace. Usually, vocations reflected the nature of the industry at the time. But nowadays, with the increase in automation and outsourcing, traditional votech's that do things like welding, woodshop, etc., have a smaller and smaller niche. It takes time for votech's to develop curricula that is consistent and reliable enough to keep up with industry, and by then the industry has already changed substantially. Industry is basically changing more quickly than votech's are able to keep up with it, which suggests that it may be time for votechs to adapt different training strategies and models.


    The other part is that perception that college is a rite of passage. College USED to be viewed as something that people took for academia or very specific purposes but now, all the cool kids do it. What happened was that the increase in prosperity during the 60's-80's meant that more parents could afford to send their kids to college, which in turn drove up tuition costs (among other things). It's almost viewed like an extension of high school, but now with more alcohol, drugs and sex. Since it's no longer viewed as a means to an end, you have a crap-ton of kids clogging the works, getting worthless degrees that don't prepare them for the rigors of corporate life. 

  • Megabyyte

    I think you bring up an interesting point, something I haven't thought much of and, quite frankly, my lack of sleep and the fact that I could fall asleep any moment isn't helping me come up with a coherant reply to this post. If that makes sense. something to think about, though!

  • StrawberrySunrises

    There is a lack of balance in this world and the way this society works. As a people, we aren't the greatest at giving our children the tools they need but also the ability to enjoy their youth.  There needs to be that balance. 


    Really, I don't know if becoming "adults" at a younger age is a good/bad thing. I think mainly it is how they are raised(and there are different ways and each to their own as long as it is not harmful, you know? :) and how the children handle growing up that matters in how good of an adult they will be, whether or not they act as an adult as a 15 year old or a 20 year old. 
  • soltero_alma

    @Kris0logy - I love your analogy. So very true. 

  • MommaFish89

    Amen to this, really. I grew up way too fast in certain aspects but by the time that I became and adult I realized how absolutely emotionally and financially dependent I was on my mom, it was very difficult to break the habit. So after moving a good distance away from her, I've had to kind of come to terms with not being able to run to my mom's house every time there is a problem in my life.
    I agree that people being able to be on their parents' insurance is a bad idea. It's just building the dependence of the people on one, their parents; two, the people around them; and three, on the government. On their parents, of course, for obvious reasons; on the people around them because once they have become accustomed to having an extra helping hand in their lives, and their parents are no longer an option, they'll either adapt and become INdependent, or they'll find someone else or multiple people to lean on; I say the government because once all other options are exhausted and they "feel" as if they have no where to turn, they believe that there the government will be to give them a leg-up or make some new law requiring others to care for them. =/ See, I just think that the difference between

    need

    and

    want

    has become completely skewed. "But I NEED that iphone", "but I NEED that Cadillac with the 20" rims". So on and so forth. The right to life is one that is given little thought to yet we place so much value on the other three basic human rights; food, clothing, and shelter. It's not enough just to have somewhere to live, food to sustain us, and clothing to keep us warm/ safe from the elements. Now it is a matter of having the best of the best of each of these and for no other reason than because we feel, for some reason, entitled to these things.

    Sorry for such a long response.

  • PPhilip

    I am of the school where very rarely do you get a pat on the back. However I do believe in feedback and at times I can be very pestimistic, just because people should anticipate failure at times.

    Things is that very few children have held part time jobs. Work experience should be a required thing for all the young folks.

    Networking is a good trait that young folks should know how to do. Exchanging experience and advice is nice but tips on job opportunities and above ground floor work is always a bonus when folks do networking right.

  • Grannys_Place

    Kids mature a lot quicker today than they did when I was gorwing up, although we did not have the drugs and booze as easily available.

  • LKJSlain

    I honestly think that we need to stop treating like they're so damn "fragile"... every time we turn around, "They're not OLLLLDDDD ENOUGHHHH"... erm... hello... in other countries, kids are working, married, and having babies by 12... what's wrong with american children?! 

    Am I saying we need to force them all to work and appreciate it at early ages? ... well, YES! 

    I think we have forgotten how to teach our children responsibility. We need to make sure that they're kids, yes. but that they also know how to grow up and be responsible.

  • autumn_cannibal76

    @LKJSlain - Yeppers. A big part of the problem is kids not being trusted, not being able to face problems and solve them.

    @EmilyandAtticus - I know! I hate it when people mooch off of their parents. Misusing a parent's love and trust is one of the worst things a person can do. At the same time, I recently lived in Eastern Europe for awhile, and now that I come back the American frenzy to move out of the house at 18 and never come back seems strange, and a little sad. Over there, families usually live together long after their kids have "grown up," and a lot of times it is a helpful and supporting thing (grandparents always around to watch the grandkids, no heavy lifting for the old folks, exc.). It makes me wonder why it is so important to so many here to run away from their families.

    @Kris0logy - So many of my friends are in debt because of the college myth. I fear that when the hammer falls and the rosy dream of iphones, cheap beer, and parties are over, mine will be a very disillusioned generation. At the same time, I don't think it's bad for people to feel entitled. Most progress that has ever happened in history has happened because someone thought **I'm entitled to have basic sanition, to have a living wage, exc.** Everyone willing to work deserves a job--this I believe absolutely? Everyone is *entitled* to an xbox 360? Maybe not so much.

  • WaitingToShrug

    Yes, we are growing up much more slowly. The result- a horde of "adults" who are unsure of themselves and totally convinced that they need somebody else- no, are owed somebody else- to take care of them. 

    I don't think I really grew up until I got married (I was 22). I was ahead of my peers though, in some things. I started working real jobs much younger than most of them. I was behind in other things though, like taking college seriously. My parents had a bit of a hard time knowing what to do with us at that point, because they had made a huge leap to prosperity, so they had the means to pay all of our expenses. Which they did do, and which I am grateful for, but I didn't really live up to the gifts I was given. I definitely think that the idea that everyone needs to go to college is terrible. I think most people really don't and shouldn't. 
  • flapper_femme_fatale

    i'd like to challenge your ideas... as a 26-year-old who still gets help from her parents, it's the only way i manage to stay afloat.  in this economy, the best job i can find is $9/hour, and that's barely enough to survive on (even when i'm splitting bills with my SO who makes more than i do).  i know it's fun to sit here and bash people like me, but it's counterproductive.  how about you come up with some solutions, instead of calling me lazy?  

  • flapper_femme_fatale

    @MommaFish89 - 


    "I agree that people being able to be on their parents' insurance is a bad idea. "
    why?  i work full-time at a job that doesn't offer health insurance.  if i hadn't been allowed to stay on my mother's insurance an extra year, i'd be thousands of dollars in debt for medical expenses.  since i just turned 26, i'm uninsured and have avoided seeing the doctor (probably at my own risk).  
  • EmilyandAtticus

    @autumn_cannibal76 - That's actually a good point. It goes to far like in Italy I know a common complaint about Italian men is that they never leave their mothers. Still there is something to be said for having support in the world. 

  • baldmike2004

    Dear Kris,
    Lifespans are getting longer. A couple of centuries ago (when one was lucky if he/she lived to the ripe old age of 35 or so) people were considered children, and then adults. The idea of the "teenager" didn't even come about until around WWII. People were betrothed and married as young as 12 or 14 in a lot of parts of the world.


    "I'm not convinced it's just not a cop out that massive numbers have convinced themselves that it's ok."
    Read this if you get the time. It's an essay I wrote about the so called "boomerang generation."
    http://baldmike2004.xanga.com/755894011/beavis-and-butthead-38-still-live-with-parents/


    You are observing a trend I've been watching for a while now, and it disturbs me too. The idea of everyone being entitled (like giving the whole class an A in school just because they're in the class, not because of what they contribute) is one I still can't get my head around, and I'm somewhat surprised that not only does "no child get left behind" children are shepherded through "education" without learning anything. It's the "age of information" but nobody knows what to do with the information that's out there.


    Good blog entry, and I'll add my recommendation.


    Michael F. Nyiri, poet, philosopher, fool

  • flapper_femme_fatale

    @PPhilip - i think the issue of making kids work depends on the circumstances.  in my family, excellence at school is the top priority.  if you can't work and get straight As, you shouldn't be working.  i got paid for my grades and amount of time spent studying, just as if it was a job.  

  • KnightInCROATIANarmor

    Very well written post, and I tend to agree. I hope what I say next won't be taken as a bad thing though, couse I kinda grew up slowly and I had very good parents who weren't always there, and I also learned how to take care of small children by training on my small siblings. I worked while I was going to high school and I know how good and stable home should work. Growing up slowly is can be a good thing couse it means we're not in a rush to grow up. 

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